166 | How to Ditch the Social Drama with Holly Haynes of Crush the Rush
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Meet Holly Haynes, the founder of Crush the Rush! Holly is a Coach, Podcaster and Industry expert with 20 years of business consulting experience!
In this episode, we talk about her journey of Launching and scaling her business during the pandemic, how she grew her business part-time while working in corporate and then how she was able to retire herself and her husband two years later! She also dives into the story of how she lost her account and had to start from scratch but how social media is not her main platform (It’s just a backup). You're going to love this conversation with Holly, so let’s go ahead and get started!
More about Holly:
Holly helps female entrepreneurs create simple scaleable offers and systems to grow to multiple 6-figures without relying on the social algorithm. An industry expert and featured Thrive and Entrepreneur.com author with a 20-year business consulting background with Fortune 500 companies, Holly runs her strategic coaching business, the Crush the Rush Planner company, and hosts the top 100 Crush the Rush podcast while raising her twin daughters with her husband in Columbus, Ohio.
https://www.hollymariehaynes.com/social
The”Worst” Time to Start
Holly hit the ground running in the many facets of her business during the pandemic while also full-time momming, homeschooling her twins, and hitting all the learning curves that come with starting a business.
There’s no such thing as the “perfect” time to start a business - and Holly believed for some time that she actually started at the worst time! In hindsight, she reflects that the “worst” time to start was actually the BEST time to start because she grew organically and sustainably and it helped keep her vision and growth very clear.
Connection Equals Growth
Marketing for marketing’s sake is NOT effective! Holly shares how she wasted SO much time and money generating new lead magnets and courses to try and attract clients. It wasn’t until she flipped the model and focused on building audience from connecting with clients’ needs and how she could meet them that she was able to jump off the hamster wheel and create something that was successful!
You don’t have to start from scratch when building a business - draw on your skills, experience, and network to kick imposter syndrome to the curb!
If you are stuck and you're looking to grow or scale or asking yourself “what's the next thing?” Or “I need more of this, or I need more of that,” Go back to “What can I teach somebody?” Educating or serving or helping builds trust. Trust builds relationships. Relationships will eventually build sales. And so if you're in business to make money, backtrack that equation. If you don't know what to share today or what to do today, get on Instagram or get on your email list and offer to help with a problem or teach something. That will always lead to some sort of relationship, which will lead to something else.
As far as social media or email lists, it's the strength of the numbers instead of the size. What accounts are getting engagements and bringing you clients that light you up and get you excited? Those are the ones that will bring you revenue! 80% of your revenue will come from 20% of your clients!
Experience Equals Credibility
We look to learn from people that have actually been through what we’re facing! If you’re building something, create a product or a course from a topic or idea in which you have built credibility within yourself.
Remember that the success you see in others and what you build yourself is an iceberg! There’s a lot more under the surface than what you see.
Ditching the Social Drama
Holly wanted to create a life free from being tied to her computer or her phone 24/7 - one where she could connect with her family and not resent her work!
From that, she built a system of creating long-form content and then saving it to be repurposed. You can learn more about how to do that in this episode:
EPISODE 77 - THE FASTEST AND EASIEST WAY TO CREATE CONTENT FOR YOUR BUSINESS
If your dreams only include yourself, they aren't big enough.
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transcript
[00:00:00] Danielle Wiebe: Hi Holly. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here.
[00:00:05] Holly Haynes: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited too.
[00:00:08] Danielle Wiebe: Let's jump in. I would love to hear a little bit more for people who don't know you, can you just explain a little bit more about you, your business, and how you got started?
[00:00:17] Danielle Wiebe: Because I know that is a super fun, interesting story when you started your business.
[00:00:23] Holly Haynes: We were sharing behind the scenes. So I'm Holly Haynes. I'm in Columbus, Ohio. I actually started my business in January of 2020. I have a little bit of a different sort of business background. I actually have a 22 year corporate strategy career, so I decided in January that I wasn't really excited about where I was at in my career.
[00:00:48] Holly Haynes: I had followed the career path of, okay, I'm gonna, go to college, got my master's degree was working for this really big consulting firm, and I was like, nah, this is really not what I expected it to [00:01:00] be. I also had twins, twin girls at the time who. I just started kindergarten and I was like, I remember asking myself , could I really do this for the next 10, 20 years?
[00:01:10] Holly Haynes: And I was like no that's, I can't I just can't, I didn't really know what I wanted to do next, but I was like, I think I have a lot of experience and I'm really passionate about helping build and scale businesses like I've done it for a really long time with some really big businesses like Fortune 500 companies.
[00:01:29] Holly Haynes: There's gotta be a way that I can do this in a way that I enjoy it and that I can help, potentially women or other people who are maybe a little bit more excited to like have my help. So I didn't really know what I was getting into and so I did it backwards and I actually hired a coach before I had a business and I was like, tell me what to do.
[00:01:48] Holly Haynes: I'm here for it. Like I'll do whatever you tell me. And I did, and I ended up starting a podcast in March. And so everyone's like, well, what's the one thing? And so for me it was, I went all [00:02:00] in on podcasting. What I didn't know though is that, the pandemic was gonna hit and everyone was gonna get sent home from their corporate job.
[00:02:08] Holly Haynes: We were gonna homeschool. And now I'm in this like program. I joined a mastermind and I'm doing all these things and I'm like, oh my gosh, this was the worst timing I could ever like, imagine, like what do I do? But in hindsight, it was actually the best timing because it actually provided me more flexibility because I was home.
[00:02:29] Holly Haynes: I joke that I never wanna repeat teaching my girls kindergarten on Zoom ever again. Cause I was like, I'm not a teacher and I don't wanna be responsible for like life skills. But we made it work. And so using the podcast, I just started building a community first. And so I started just very organically sharing.
[00:02:48] Holly Haynes: It started out like with productivity tips and things like that. And then people kept asking like, how are you building a business and working full-time? And I just kept sharing and then I ended up building what we have now based [00:03:00] on what people were asking. So three years later here we are.
[00:03:04] Danielle Wiebe: Amazing. And yeah, it's so interesting. Hey, because I think there's some people that I've talked to that a lot of people actually, whether it be they started their business, in kind of the middle of the pandemic, or they had to totally change and shift and pivot during that time.
[00:03:20] Danielle Wiebe: But I think you know it is always the way that you look at things, right? Like you can look at something as Oh, this is, the worst timing for something. But then you can also look at it as, oh, this actually provides these opportunities that wouldn't have been there if maybe you were needing to go into work every single day or whatever that looked like.
[00:03:39] Danielle Wiebe: Yeah. So I love that. And I love something that you said that really resonated was you built a community first and something that I am so passionate about is community and collaborations and all of that. So I would love to hear more about that. Like when you say you built the community, obviously you had your podcast and then what did that look like as [00:04:00] far as building that community?
[00:04:02] Danielle Wiebe: Did you start to build an email list from there? Like What were some of those first steps to take people from, they're listening to you on your podcast, and then how did you start to engage those people and start to have some of those conversations? Yeah,
[00:04:17] Holly Haynes: so I joke at the beginning I was like the queen of, I'm gonna create a new lead magnet like every single week.
[00:04:24] Holly Haynes: I mean my like old lead magnets. I'd be like, oh, this week I'm gonna create this one, and this week I'm gonna create this one. That is not the strategy I recommend. I recommend creating one that's Really amazing and gets like a really awesome win and really, helps you connect with the person in a way that's gonna get them a result now and show them who you are.
[00:04:46] Holly Haynes: So I sort of went down that path and then, I feel like everyone thinks that they have to start create a course. I was like, oh, I'm gonna create a course, right? So I tell the story a lot, and I was, I had like very little following. I had like no one on my email [00:05:00] list, and I created this productivity toolkit and I sold four of 'em at $250.
[00:05:05] Holly Haynes: And so now I think I'm like $9,000 in the hole and I'm like, oh Six months in this is not gonna work, right? Like, how am I gonna make this work? So at this point we're in July of the pandemic and this is when everyone is like panicking now, cuz it's like, oh, this is not going away.
[00:05:22] Holly Haynes: And so I decided I need to really flip the model because I don't have an audience yet. I need to build an audience, which I finally did through a like true freebie. And then I actually launched our mastermind next. So I went high ticket first, and I think people hear that and they're like, wait, how did you do that?
[00:05:42] Holly Haynes: You've only had your business for so long, but I have, a master's in strategy and a. A 20 year career where I've helped business owners basically do the same thing that I'm helping people now. So I always say think about what are you really good at and what are people asking you to do?[00:06:00]
[00:06:00] Holly Haynes: And then how does that fit with your goals? So for me, it was to retire from my corporate job and, negative $9,000 is really not gonna get me there. And so I had to figure out what does that model, what does that look like for me? And I did it backwards. Thankfully it went very well.
[00:06:16] Holly Haynes: I think people were really leaning into sort of, I want someone with this background and I want someone to work with online that sort of looks like this. And then after that I worked backwards and developed the rest of our product suite. And then in January of last year, 2022, I retired myself and my husband.
[00:06:36] Holly Haynes: So it did work, but I sort of had to stumble a little bit to figure out like what's the thing? And what's the thing for me? Because what's the thing for me might not be the thing for you. And so you have to really look at what are your goals from a profit perspective, but then also what's your experience and what do you like to do?
[00:06:55] Holly Haynes: And like how do those fit together?
[00:06:58] Danielle Wiebe: That's so good. Yeah. And I [00:07:00] think too, like often when we start businesses, we feel like, okay, I'm starting from scratch. I'm starting from zero, I'm starting from nothing. But I love that you said, looking at your career and your background and your, everything that you've done up until this point of launching your business and like that is so valuable.
[00:07:19] Danielle Wiebe: The fact that, you had all this experience with helping these other. Businesses grow like that is something that you can pull from to pull into now your business. And so I think a lot of people feel like when they're starting a business, they are starting from zero. And I think it's important to.
[00:07:38] Danielle Wiebe: Recognize all, the skills people have developed and the connections that they have and, all of those things. Because I think sometimes we just forget that when we start in entrepreneurship, we're like, I'm brand new. I know nothing and I don't have any skills. Yeah. It's no, like you do, and you do have connections and network. It's just what does this look like now [00:08:00] that you're in this new container of entrepreneurship? And now how can you bring in those skills and those connections and that that background into what you're doing now, so I love that you mentioned that, because I think a lot of people have, whether you wanna call it imposter syndrome or they just, yeah.
[00:08:17] Danielle Wiebe: They have just like this thing that doesn't allow them to push forward because, They just always feel like either a fraud or a newbie or someone who doesn't belong in that space because they're comparing themselves to all these other people that they see as successful. And I don't know. Do you find that with the clients that you work with, is that you?
[00:08:37] Holly Haynes: I don't say like social media's like a magazine, right? I mean like the highlight reel. But I'll also say, and we can use babies as an example. I have twins and I would say, when I was really pregnant and when they were babies, I would so much rather go ask another twin mom, specifically someone that had girls questions about what was going on or what to do or how to do the things than I would to read a [00:09:00] book or go ask some parenting expert or my doctor who happens to be a male like.
[00:09:06] Holly Haynes: It doesn't even, they might have 50 years of experience in all these, degrees or whatever, and I'm like, it does, I don't care. Like I wanna talk to somebody that's actually been through it. And so I always use that example because I think we forget that going through it in real life actually gives you credibility.
[00:09:23] Holly Haynes: To teach it or share it or create a product or whatever the thing is. And I think, you always see that iceberg chart of all the work that happens underneath. And so what you don't see is like all the experience that happens behind the scenes before you see the fancy picture on social media or whatever the thing is.
[00:09:43] Holly Haynes: That happens that you're like, oh, that's so amazing. It happened so fast for her. Actually no. It was probably like what, for me, 23 years of education that made like my three year entrepreneurial journey happen faster. So I think you have to think of it [00:10:00] that way too.
[00:10:01] Danielle Wiebe: Totally. I love that so much.
[00:10:02] Danielle Wiebe: And I know you talk a lot about ditching the social drama, so I would love to dive into that. First of all, what do you mean by that? And second of all, how can people implement that into their business?
[00:10:14] Holly Haynes: When I started my business, I mean my girls were in kindergarten, they were just starting to get to the age where like you would pick up the phone or laptop and they would start to resent it. So here I am working full-time and I knew if I was on my computer all the time, this was not something that was gonna be long-term. When I go back to can you keep doing this for 10 years? The answer would be no.
[00:10:36] Holly Haynes: And so I was like I have to figure out a way where. I can share, but I'm not, on my phone all the time. But also when I was in the office, I couldn't be on social media all the time. And so when people are like post 20 times a day and put up like 50 stories, I couldn't do that because I was literally going to meet with our CEO or whatever.
[00:10:54] Holly Haynes: And I didn't, I just couldn't, and I didn't have a team and so it just wasn't possible. And so I was like, [00:11:00] okay, I've gotta figure out a different way. And so what I teach is that social media is like, The second act. It's there, clearly I use it, but it's 95% repurposed. So it comes from a blog, it comes from an email, it comes from a podcast.
[00:11:16] Holly Haynes: It comes from a speaking event that I did, and if it disappears, which it has multiple times, twice now it doesn't matter because we've got other things in place that is going to help support us. And eventually when you get into, the different strategies, you can build automations and things that sort of help you and save you time because when I was.
[00:11:39] Holly Haynes: Building and working full-time, I really only had eight hours to 10 hours a week. I just, it wasn't possible to work anymore. And so I had to really, I was forced to come up with okay, what's this system and how are we gonna make that work for us?
[00:11:54] Danielle Wiebe: That's so good. And can you share a little bit about the situation that happened [00:12:00] recently where you lost your account?
[00:12:03] Danielle Wiebe: Because I think that's a it's so interesting that you teach this and then it's okay, now what, actually put this into practice. But I'm just so curious because I know a lot of people when and this is something that I've thought about too and, asked different people about a, about.
[00:12:18] Danielle Wiebe: Relying so heavily on social media, because at the beginning of my business, that is what I relied on so heavily to build my business. But then it got to the point where one social media changed and was not as effective as it was when I had first started my business. And then second, secondly, like you said, I didn't wanna be on my phone twenty four seven, and I was feeling like it was not only sucking my, Energy and time, but also my inspiration cuz I felt like, yeah, I would go down these rabbit holes and like, how am I on this random page of this person?
[00:12:50] Danielle Wiebe: I don't know. And where how did I get here? And I like, I was supposed to be productive today and now I just wasted a couple hours of my life like, Checking out this [00:13:00] person's life that I have no idea who they are. I know. I still go down the rabbit holes, I won't lie. Totally. But it's and, but I appreciate what you said because it's like we need to find more strategic and productive ways of using our time, especially as business owners.
[00:13:15] Danielle Wiebe: And then on top of that, for those of us who are parents, we don't have a lot of extra time to waste. So I would love to hear. Yeah, more on your perspective on that, but then also tell us about what happened recently for you.
[00:13:29] Holly Haynes: Yeah, so it's actually happened twice the first time it happened.
[00:13:32] Holly Haynes: It's happened over the summer, like probably a year ago. And it was during one of our mastermind retreat weekends, which is a pretty big weekend. Like people pay attention to what you do and you're like sharing things. And I like went to share and I was like, wait, there's nothing there. So I had a moment of panic, which I think anyone would.
[00:13:51] Holly Haynes: And then eventually that time it came back. So it was maybe just a glitch. I don't know. We have all the things in place. We have two factor [00:14:00] authentication. One of my biggest tips is you can actually, now I think you can actually download your content from Instagram or any social platform and save it.
[00:14:08] Holly Haynes: But we actually have a zap set up. So anytime we post to social, it puts it on a Google spreadsheet. So you can reuse that content to other places.
[00:14:17] Danielle Wiebe: Brilliant.
[00:14:18] Holly Haynes: I love that. Yeah, so that's like a lifesaver right now because we do have all of our old content. But the second time it went down, it actually went down about a month and a half ago and it didn't come back.
[00:14:29] Holly Haynes: So we had 14,000 followers and was just gone. And we just, for fun, we were in the middle of the launch, we were launching our membership, and I was like, oh, okay. And the funny part is we have a course called Anti-Social School. This is obvious, this is before this happened. And I was like, I feel like it's the universe telling me that I, maybe I need to talk about this more.
[00:14:50] Holly Haynes: So everyone's like, you two are so calm about it. And I was like I did panic for a second, right? Anyone would, but then I was like I have two choices. I could panic or I can just, [00:15:00] make the most out of it. And it obviously helped our course, right?
[00:15:03] Holly Haynes: Because everyone's like, oh, this could happen to me. And then I'm like, Hey, I have this class holding antisocial school, which teaches you this, but it's just an important reminder that Business can change at any time. And so like the whole basis is, you can, you are creating the content, so make sure that you have a place where you are controlling it.
[00:15:23] Holly Haynes: So whether it's email or someplace, podcasting is great. Someplace where you own it, that it can't disappear. And Yeah, we started over, I think we have 500 followers now. We're like a month in.
[00:15:36] Danielle Wiebe: That's so crazy and yeah. But I love that you just made the most of it and I, yeah, I really appreciate that kind of perspective.
[00:15:45] Danielle Wiebe: And it's funny because one of the, I think one of the biggest questions That, is always comes up when it comes to like building your business it's always like, well how do you get, like, how do you get more followers? Or how do you get more this, how do you get more of [00:16:00] that?
[00:16:00] Danielle Wiebe: So I would love to hear your perspective on that, on, cuz obviously for you, podcasting is a big thing for you. Your email list community is big. So what is your perspective on all? Like entrepreneurs. We always want more, right? It's yeah, more subscribers, more views, more downloads, and I get that because you know, you can see the progression and it's encouraging to see, if your numbers are growing, but what's your perspective on.
[00:16:28] Danielle Wiebe: Always looking for more rather than like actually figuring out, okay what's actually the engagement? How is this actually affecting my business and how am I actually building these connections and the, these relationships? Because I know something that you like to talk about is, the engagement on your content or on your email list or different things are, is more important than just the numbers.
[00:16:51] Danielle Wiebe: So can you share a little bit more about that too?
[00:16:54] Holly Haynes: Yeah. So I would say two things. So one, I would say if you are stuck and [00:17:00] you're searching for more, you're like, what's the next thing? Or I need more of this, or I need more of that. I always come back to what can I teach somebody? Like I always come back to education because to me, I.
[00:17:11] Holly Haynes: Educating or serving or helping builds trust. Trust builds relationships. Relationships will eventually build sales, right? And so if you're in business to make money backtrack that equation and it's oh, I don't know what to share today. I don't know what to do today. I. Get on Instagram or get on your email list and offer to help with a problem or teach something.
[00:17:32] Holly Haynes: Because to me that will always lead to some sort of relationship, which will lead to something else. The other thing I'll say is, as it relates to the numbers game is, I think it's the strength of the numbers instead of the size. And I talk about that a lot because, you could have.
[00:17:52] Holly Haynes: A hundred followers? Well, I mean, I'm like a walking case study right now. Like I think we have 500 followers, but I have more engagement [00:18:00] with a smaller account than I did with a larger account. And I think one of the reasons is whether it be algorithm or not, is, there's just more eyes on it because it's people who actually want to see it, right?
[00:18:11] Holly Haynes: So it's not getting buried in all the things. But also I talk a lot about what I call the 80 20 rule, and that is, Typically 80% of your income, I'm sorry, yeah. 80% of your income comes from 20% of your clients. So when you look at, okay, where am I making money? Who are my super fans, right? Who are my clients that I just love, like my, I call 'em unicorn clients.
[00:18:36] Holly Haynes: How can I help them? So I focus on the unicorn clients. Who do I just get so giddy about helping oh my gosh, I can help you so much. This is gonna be so much fun. Let's do this. And that's the content that I share. Those are the programs that I develop. Sometimes the unicorn clients will join it and sometimes new people will come in.
[00:18:54] Holly Haynes: But if you can focus on that like 20%, that's where most of your revenue[00:19:00] is gonna come from.
[00:19:00] Danielle Wiebe: That's so good because it's also so tempting to try to please everybody. Yeah. You just can't, who this one person said that I should do this or offer this, or, even like for we have some people that listen to the podcast that are like product-based business owners and they're like, oh, I'm gonna launch this line and that line and okay, we have this new product and that new product, and it's like, whoa.
[00:19:23] Danielle Wiebe: Okay. But. Are you sure that like your client or your customers, is that what they're asking for? Because yeah, you might have one person who's like, Hey, it'd be really cool if you did this. Or, you have people come to you and they want something specific. But if that's not going to serve, like you said, like your ideal unicorn clients like you, you could have someone you know, come into your dms and say Hey, I have this question, or this is something that I really wanna learn, but.
[00:19:51] Danielle Wiebe: Is that someone who is your ideal client? Yeah. Or is that someone who's actually, even if you put it out there and you go through all the work of creating the thing, [00:20:00] are they even gonna buy it? Yeah, because I feel like I made this mistake so often when I was first starting my business.
[00:20:06] Danielle Wiebe: Cause we did in-person events, and I would have these people come to me and they're like, you should do like a wellness business event. I was like, oh. That sounds cool. Yeah, I'll do that. Or you should do a a wine tour or this or that, and it's oh yeah, that sounds fun.
[00:20:21] Danielle Wiebe: But it's like I wasn't being consistent with the type of. Like content, which was like at the time events, the offer. And so it was all over the place, and so it wasn't really targeting the right people. And I would be just basically like running myself into the ground trying to please everyone instead of, like you said, focusing on.
[00:20:43] Danielle Wiebe: I love that you said that 80% of your revenue will come from 20% of your clients. I'm gonna remember that. That's so good.
[00:20:50] Holly Haynes: Okay. Yeah, it's my favorite rule. It's yeah, it works every time. It works for everything.
[00:20:54] Danielle Wiebe: That's so amazing. I love that. Okay, so I could talk to you for so [00:21:00] long. One thing I do wanna ask, because you in the three, so now you've been in business for three years.
[00:21:05] Danielle Wiebe: So it's be just over three years. And it's just, it's wild and amazing just to see what you've been able to accomplish in that short amount of time, which is, which is awesome. What are. Like proud of, of your entrepreneurial journey so far.
[00:21:19] Holly Haynes: I would say two things, and it's based off this quote that I have on my board, and the quote is, if your dreams only include yourself, they aren't big enough.
[00:21:28] Holly Haynes: And the first one is like the things that we've been able to do as a family now that we're not tied to a corporate schedule. So we were able to take, we took my girls to Europe in September. I didn't go to Europe till I was. Like 32. So being able to go at nine I think is probably life changing.
[00:21:48] Holly Haynes: I don't know. We'll see how they feel about it when they get older. But that was really cool. And so we have a family goal to travel once a quarter. Ultimately I'd love to go overseas once a quarter, but we're not quite there yet. And [00:22:00] then two, I'm just. I love our community. I think that's where you and I bonded so much.
[00:22:05] Holly Haynes: Like it's really amazing to see the women that I started with three years ago, the ones that like trusted me when I was like, I promise that I'm gonna, I can help you. And I didn't have all the things that I have now and seeing where they're at and then being able to just, Help more people at different levels.
[00:22:23] Holly Haynes: And like we have this big alumni group and we do like happy hours and networking and it's just it just makes my heart happy to see all of them, , it's like a big family, which is really cool.
[00:22:34] Danielle Wiebe: Aw, that's so beautiful and so cool. Like I, I love that quote so much. I wonder if, cuz I, I heard that quote recently.
[00:22:42] Danielle Wiebe: I'm like, I wonder if it's from you that I heard that quote. Cause I dunno, I say it a
[00:22:46] Holly Haynes: lot cause it's it's really, I feel like it drives me so good. Really important.
[00:22:51] Danielle Wiebe: It's so important because too, like I think that also gets the, takes a pressure off of. Because I think often it's like, oh, I have [00:23:00] this goal and like so much pressure.
[00:23:01] Danielle Wiebe: And if we almost think bigger and we're, yeah we're thinking bigger and we're dreaming bigger, and then that, that vision includes other people. It's the pressure is off of us and it's more like, how can I serve, how can I help, how can I provide value? And whether that be, yeah, like you said, within your community, with your clients, all of that.
[00:23:19] Danielle Wiebe: But then also you know your family and that's so beautiful that. Your girls got that experience and like, how cool is that?
[00:23:26] Holly Haynes: I always my favorite thing is like seeing the world through their eyes. Like we've taught them how to pack their own bags, carry their own backpacks, and they like, I walk behind them and it's it's so fun,
[00:23:37] Danielle Wiebe: so amazing.
[00:23:37] Danielle Wiebe: Oh, that's so inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing that. Can you share with us where people can find you, where we can find all the good stuff that you have going on your podcast? A free resource that maybe you wanna share with us? All the good things.
[00:23:52] Holly Haynes: Yeah. Yeah. So you can listen to the podcast.
[00:23:55] Holly Haynes: It's called Crush the Rush. Really anywhere that podcasts are found, we're gonna [00:24:00] have Danielle on. It's gonna be amazing. And then if you want to ditch the social drama, the best way to do that is just go to hollymariehaynes.com/social. And we've got actually a private podcast, which I'm obsessed about.
[00:24:14] Holly Haynes: I love podcasting if you can't tell. And it's five episodes and I go through the whole framework. You can build it out yourself. And I'm behind the scenes answering questions, and you can work through what that strategy looks like for you. And then you can come find us on our new Instagram. It's the Holly Marie Haines.
[00:24:32] Holly Haynes: And I hang out there now.
[00:24:35] Danielle Wiebe: That's amazing. Thank you so much for sharing all that, and I'm so grateful to have you here. Thanks for joining us.
[00:24:40] Holly Haynes: Yeah, thank you.